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-1 SIP-Router Development Meeting  +
-~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +
-  FhG FOKUS Berlin +
-  2nd October 2009 +
- +
-  This is the minutes from the sip-router meeting held on the 2nd of October +
-  2009 in FhG FOKUS in Berlin. The minutes were taken by Jan Janak. +
- +
-1.1 Meeting Agenda  +
-=================== +
-   * Release of sip-router +
-   * Short name selection +
-   * Conflict resolution +
-   * SEMS Advertisement +
-   * Project Infrastructure +
- +
-1.2 Participants  +
-================= +
-   * Ancuta Onofrei +
-   * Dragos Vingarzan +
-   * Jan Janak +
-   * Andrei Pelinescu-Onciul +
-   * Bogdan Pintea +
-   * Stefan Sayer +
-   * Jesus Rodriguez +
-   * Henning Westerholt +
-   * Daniel-Constantin Mierla +
-   * Grzegorz Stanislawski +
-   * Ramona-Elena Modroiu +
-   * Marcus Gotzl +
-   * Markus Hungr +
-   * Jiri Kuthan +
-   * Christian Kaiser +
-   * Bogdan Harjoc +
- +
-1.3 Minutes  +
-============ +
- +
-1.3.1 Release of sip-router  +
----------------------------- +
-    * Jan: Updating meeting participands on the status of the email discussion +
-      that took place before the meeting. +
- +
-    * Daniel: +
-      - There is a lot of confusion about tools and modules. +
-      - We don't have a short name and renaming it again will generate +
-        additional confusion. +
-      - we planned to have separate release to help kamailio users to get +
-        adjusted to the new architecture. +
-      - I do not agree on having two releases at the same time. +
- +
-    * Andrei: We always talked about the linux distribution model. +
- +
-    * Jan: Shouldn't we release sip-router and then make a kamailio release +
-      from that? +
- +
-    * Daniel: The statistics code is not multi-CPU ready. +
- +
-    * Stefan:  +
-      - You need to have a hook in the repository to release. +
-      - Isn't the branch that you create for release like a sr release? +
- +
-    * Andrei: We want to release sip-router 3.0. +
- +
-    * Daniel: I do not want to be involved in 2 projects. +
- +
-    * Jan: You already are involved in two projects anyway. +
- +
-    * Henning: How about having different branches for different flavors. +
- +
-    * Daniel: We want to release Kamailio with all K. modules and selected SER +
-      modules. +
- +
-    * Andrei: It's not a problem if you give users more sources, you do not +
-      have to remove modules/code that is not supported. +
- +
-    * Daniel: We do not have the approach of "this is not supported" in Kamailio. +
- +
-    * Jan: One reason why people haven't started testing the sr stuff is +
-      because we have not announced the intention to make a release. +
- +
-    * Daniel: I don't see a solution to advertise two things, I cannot say +
-      which is better. +
- +
-    * Jiri: To accomodate your customers, you are withdrawing from sip-router, +
-      so that you do not confuse them? +
- +
-    * Andrei: if you say it is k 3.0 based on sip-router 3.0, is it ok? +
- +
-    * Daniel: Yes, it's your sip-router release. +
- +
-    * Gregorz: Is sip-router going to be a complete solution? +
- +
-    * Jan: We hope that eventually it will. +
- +
-    * Jiri: in order to have achievable milestones, it is too ambitious to +
-      have a full solution now. +
- +
-    * Gregorz: ser has serweb, kamailio has siremis, can we treat a sip-router +
-      as tool, just like linux kernel, you will have independent distributions +
-      and it does not create confusion, you have invested into kamailio trade +
-      mark +
- +
-    * Daniel:  +
-      - My concern is one month being involved in two releases that do +
-        the same thing. +
-      - sip-router we started as project, we advanced more, we planned to have +
-        common core and tm. +
- +
-    * Jiri: I am confused by the fact that you want to save labor, but have a +
-      different release at the same time. +
-       +
-    * Andrei: New versions are no longer Kamailio, they are Kamailio based on +
-      sip-router. +
- +
-    * Daniel: OK, then my involvement in sr will be zero next year. +
- +
-    * Jiri: it is about sharing the foundation. +
- +
-    * Stefan: Isn't it ok to make 3.0 branch and everybody knows this is +
-      foundation for Kamailio and SER? +
- +
-    * Andrei: It is fair to name it sip-router because this is what it is. +
- +
-    * Daniel: there will be two products that do the same thing. +
- +
-    * Jan: We already have multiple products that do roughtly the same, so +
-      this is nothing new. +
- +
-    * Daniel: (drawing a diagram of the sources and release) +
- +
-    * Andrei: There is a lot of confusion about whether we are aiming for a +
-      full release or not. +
- +
-    * Jiri: maybe we shall forget the perceptional stuff for a while? and look +
-      at code sharing? +
- +
-    * Jan as scribe: (the discussion is getting a bit confusing and difficult +
-      to follow and write down)... +
- +
-    * Henning: I talked to some users, there is confusion about differences +
-      between sip-router and kamailio, but it can be explained... +
- +
-    * Jan: People ask me for public tarball of sip-router for installations I +
-      maintain. +
- +
-    * Henning: It is common to have alpha and beta releases. (there is a +
-      general agreement in the room with Henning's statement). +
- +
-    * Jesus: Can we delay the sr release 2-3 weeks? (everybody agrees). +
- +
-    * Daniel:  +
-      - I don't want to be involved in it (release), you can do whatever, I +
-        cannot be involved. +
-      - I won't be promoting sip-router. +
- +
-    * Dragos: It is not going to be distributed through standard distributions +
-      like Ubuntu yet? +
- +
-    * Jan,Andrei: No, we are not there yet. +
- +
-    * Jan as scribe: (licensing discussion, I got lost in it) +
- +
-    * Henning: So we will have k3.0 and a developer release of sip-router +
- +
-    * Jiri: So we will have a release marked as development +
- +
-1.3.2 Short Name  +
------------------ +
-    * Jiri:  +
-      - How do we select short name for the application? +
-      - Have 1 week for proposals? +
-      - How do we select who is going to vote? +
- +
-    * Andrei: Everybody who who has at least one commit in all the projects. +
- +
-    * Ramona: For active modules +
- +
-    * Jan: Since the beginning of the project. +
- +
-    * Jiri: past 3 years might be better. +
- +
-    * Andrei: At least 1 commit in 3 years and non-compete provisions. +
- +
-    * Daniels: Let's have registered voters. +
- +
-    * Jiri: Use doodle +
- +
-    * Jan: There will be a deadline, voting is right, not obligation (in +
-      response to Daniels concern). +
- +
-    * Ancuta: Both projects prepare list of voters +
- +
-    * scribe: there is a consensus that we will approach those who had at +
-      least one commit in past three years. +
- +
-    * Stefan: Make it clear that users and other people are not included. +
- +
-    * Daniel +
-      - Community only via anonymous proposals. +
-      - Don't discuss, just vote. +
- +
-    * Andrei: requirements: no conflicts, shorter version of sip router, less +
-      or equal than sip-router, shouldn't be an existing application in debian +
-      or clear trademark. not overlapping with debian package names. +
- +
-1.3.3 Resolution Procedures  +
----------------------------- +
-    * Jiri:  +
-      - We have rough consensus that we want to have them. +
-      - Tt has to be clearly defined (which implies some infairness) +
-      - Important is that we choose something that is fair and easy to +
-        understand. +
- +
-1.3.4 Resolving Technical Conflicts  +
------------------------------------- +
-    * Jan: Do we need it for the project? +
- +
-    * Daniel: Yes, we had the problem before. +
- +
-    * Daniel: With Kamailio fork it started with a very late commit of local +
-      route. +
- +
-    * Andrei: Let's have a board. +
- +
-    * Andrei: It is a hard problem, the technical part is not simple. +
- +
-    * Daniel: We end up in political discussions anyway. +
- +
-    * Jiri: Not sure if we need to have a general consensus on that. +
- +
-    * Daniel: I am concerned mainly about the core and tm. +
- +
-1.3.5 SIP-Router in Three Years  +
--------------------------------- +
-    * Daniel: bigger project, bigger community, trying to build a bigger open +
-      source project with bigger community. +
- +
-    * Jiri: For Tekelec there is little motivation for promotion. +
- +
-    * Daniel: Why are we having two versions of some modules that depend on +
-      database, such as rr or sl modules? +
- +
-    * Daniel: We mark features that we obsolete and keep them one release +
-  +
-    * Daniel: that does not apply to features that can be done in another way +
- +
-1.3.6 OpenSSL License Issue  +
----------------------------- +
-    * Jan: Giving an overview of the problem and possible solutions, this is +
-      based on a description sent out earlier by email. +
- +
-    * Jan: suggests that we attempt to solve this by approaching as many +
-      people as we can and we see how far we can get and if we can add an +
-      exception to the license. +
- +
-    * scribe: The discussion is about whether the exception is needed in the +
-      whole application or only the TLS module. +
- +
-    * Ramona: is concerned about (c) owning companies. +
- +
-    * Daniel: Lots of contributors on kamailio side dissappeared. +
- +
-    * scribe: resolution seems to be: let's try approach them and see what +
-      happens. +
- +
-1.3.7 Database Schema Merge  +
----------------------------- +
-    * Jan: presenting the document sent out earlier: +
-      http://iptel.org/jan/db_merge +
-    * Daniel: concerned about some presence table where we cannot use UID. +
-    * scribe: most of discussion revolving around some low-level technical +
-      details. +
-    * scribe: resolution: Let's merge the easy tables, and then we will see +
-      how to go futher, Jan and Henning will figure out how to to merge the +
-      easy tables and store their definition in the repository. +
- +
-1.3.8 SEMS  +
------------ +
-    * Stefan: Giving a presentation about SEMS and its features, Stefan will +
-      send a link to the presentation to the mailing list. +
- +
-1.3.9 Project Infrastructure  +
------------------------------ +
-    * Daniel: What is current status? +
-    * Jan: The domain and server owned and paid by Jan. In long term we should +
-      have a foundation-like status so that the domain is not owned by a +
-      single person. We should also have a transparent bank account. +
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